tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post7238355239556191609..comments2023-08-16T11:05:03.845+03:00Comments on Urikalization - Uri Kalish: And the Machines Shall Inherit the EarthUri Kalishhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08561692601016236573noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-8782597960282697312009-05-11T10:08:00.000+03:002009-05-11T10:08:00.000+03:00I wouldn't overestimate the efficiency of computer...I wouldn't overestimate the efficiency of computers. An analog device will always have more potential of increasing complexity than a digital one. Because 'analog' brings extremely High Definition - infinite, in fact.<br /><br />I don't remember exactly, but I think there was a guy named Thompson who tried some evolutionary electronics. And the result of the experiment certainly wasn't a digital Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06876800259373563425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-86232373862613243962009-05-11T10:05:00.000+03:002009-05-11T10:05:00.000+03:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06876800259373563425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-50721133479210194162009-04-16T23:14:00.000+03:002009-04-16T23:14:00.000+03:00@Eonir,
Thanks for that response.
Regarding those...@Eonir,<br />Thanks for that response.<br /><br />Regarding those billion of years of evolution… Most of the period where life evolved was dedicated to single-cell life forms. Most animals appeared during the Cambrian explosion, so they only exist for something like 500 million years. If I think about this time period in terms of number of generations, that doesn’t look like much to me. I guess aUri Kalishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08561692601016236573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-24691210428018218592009-04-16T18:06:00.000+03:002009-04-16T18:06:00.000+03:00Crikey. I just noticed how wrong I was.
Let me s...Crikey. I just noticed how wrong I was. <br /><br />Let me simply restate it:<br />I think that many unimaginable things can arise from a developing complexity. <br /><br />However, I doubt it'll be sudden, just as real organic life needed a billion years to jump from simplistic blobs to this stupendous variety we now observe, destroy and cherish. <br />What's more, it is unlikely that this Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06876800259373563425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-40492398166406731272008-10-07T08:44:00.000+02:002008-10-07T08:44:00.000+02:00Regarding singularity,have you read Rainbow's End ...Regarding singularity,have you read Rainbow's End by Verner Vinge.<BR/>What's your view on that..Sankarsanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13514924233407825390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-87024389776955703222008-08-04T19:56:00.000+03:002008-08-04T19:56:00.000+03:00Psst...Do chk outhttp://fasterthanlight.wordpress....Psst...<BR/>Do chk out<BR/>http://fasterthanlight.wordpress.com/2008/08/04/man-vs-machinesman-vs-machines/<BR/>It's on similar lines...<BR/>:-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-48691141517334325952008-07-27T00:10:00.000+03:002008-07-27T00:10:00.000+03:00Thanks eonir!Thanks eonir!Uri Kalishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08561692601016236573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-15745595063569713732008-07-24T19:12:00.000+03:002008-07-24T19:12:00.000+03:00http://www.tgsa-comic.com/view.php?date=2008-04-02...http://www.tgsa-comic.com/view.php?date=2008-04-02<BR/><BR/>I spotted this comic somewhere and immediately thought about this discussion ;)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06876800259373563425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-29023114017567451562008-07-17T18:42:00.000+03:002008-07-17T18:42:00.000+03:00@lance droy,Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics:1. A r...@lance droy,<BR/><BR/>Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics:<BR/>1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.<BR/>2. A robot must obey orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.<BR/>3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.Uri Kalishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08561692601016236573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-77637317902451870462008-07-15T18:47:00.000+03:002008-07-15T18:47:00.000+03:00"I see you assume Asimov's three laws will be embe..."I see you assume Asimov's three laws will be embedded in each future robot leaving the factory. How long till a Three-Laws-Override crack will be available for download on eMule/BitTorrent…?" <BR/><BR/>Not at all, the expression "Asimovs laws" is flawed in itself, people assume that these rules are things which robots would be inclined to break, that "they would if they could". As if there is Lance Droyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08294640505538227854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-43931120638387394282008-07-14T01:27:00.000+03:002008-07-14T01:27:00.000+03:00@Lance Droy,Regarding 1:I see you assume Asimov's ...@Lance Droy,<BR/><BR/>Regarding 1:<BR/>I see you assume Asimov's three laws will be embedded in each future robot leaving the factory. How long till a Three-Laws-Override crack will be available for download on eMule/BitTorrent…?<BR/><BR/>Regarding 2:<BR/>The A.I. research labs aiming for the Turing test are trying to create an artificial entity resembling a human, not only in its ability to Uri Kalishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08561692601016236573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-80018027312811268662008-07-14T00:46:00.000+03:002008-07-14T00:46:00.000+03:00@ladyterriSome actions (like tidying) can decrease...@ladyterri<BR/><BR/>Some actions (like tidying) can decrease the entropy of a local system (like your house), but since it will create heat, the total entropy of the universe will still increase no matter what you do; hence the observation (and my implicit recommendation) that tidying your house is entropy-pointless.<BR/><BR/>:)Uri Kalishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08561692601016236573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-19731824035438216622008-07-14T00:37:00.000+03:002008-07-14T00:37:00.000+03:00@yair,“…the gaps today are as huge as they were 40...@yair,<BR/><BR/>“…the gaps today are as huge as they were 40 years ago…please point us the main breakthroughs in AI of the past 40 years…”<BR/><BR/>- As I wrote before, I think it may take a few centuries, but eventually, we WILL be able to fully understand and re-implement every element of the human mind, but a much faster way is to simply scan and copy a human brain into hardware/software.<BR/>Uri Kalishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08561692601016236573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-15338030099865342522008-07-13T16:29:00.000+03:002008-07-13T16:29:00.000+03:00Surely the suggestion that robots would take over ...Surely the suggestion that robots would take over the earth because humans are a threat, overlooks a serious flaw. <BR/><BR/>It assumes 2 things <BR/><BR/>A) that robots would have an intrinsic sense of self-preservation.<BR/>That isn't an entirely illogical assumption (all living things have it). Yet many different individuals throughout history have allowed them selfs to die for a certain causeLance Droyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08294640505538227854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-46254083697729880862008-07-13T15:43:00.000+03:002008-07-13T15:43:00.000+03:00entropy-pointless? I can certainly see your wifes ...entropy-pointless? I can certainly see your wifes point! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-83305514260379808982008-07-12T23:09:00.000+03:002008-07-12T23:09:00.000+03:00“…the gaps today are as huge as they were 40 years...<I>“…the gaps today are as huge as they were 40 years ago...” - <BR/>1. I disagree.</I><BR/><BR/>Since you disagree, please point us the main breakthroughs in AI of the past 40 years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-90594401412847043082008-07-12T20:04:00.000+03:002008-07-12T20:04:00.000+03:00Kalish, after reading your flawless arguments, suc...Kalish, after reading your flawless arguments, such as "I disagree" or "Sunny"(which by the way was false, albeit the sun shines even at night), I can't help but come to a conclusion that... You really, really want them to take over the Earth :]<BR/><BR/>Despite any logic, you still are completely devoted to the fascinating idea of being crushed by our own invention :)<BR/><BR/>If we even assume Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06876800259373563425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-8163216269077317932008-07-12T15:17:00.000+03:002008-07-12T15:17:00.000+03:00@yair,“…For thousands of years, Europe had this fi...@yair,<BR/><BR/>“…For thousands of years, Europe had this fixation that in order to fly one must imitate the way birds fly...”<BR/><BR/>- And they were right! We imitate soaring birds, not flapping birds.<BR/>http://whyfiles.org/shorties/166bird_wing/images/videler1.gif<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>“…the gaps today are as huge as they were 40 years ago...”<BR/><BR/>1. I disagree.<BR/>2. We don’t really Uri Kalishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08561692601016236573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-41706598314409255332008-07-11T18:20:00.000+03:002008-07-11T18:20:00.000+03:00@eonir,“…We don't even know how our own brain work...@eonir,<BR/><BR/>“…We don't even know how our own brain works. It's so complex that it'll take millennia till we understand all the processes..”<BR/><BR/>- As I wrote in a previous post, the way I see it, there are two ways to do it. The first way is to understand each one of the brain’s functionality and implement it by software. This means we must fully comprehend each aspect of human thinking Uri Kalishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08561692601016236573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-86241248332203993812008-07-11T17:52:00.000+03:002008-07-11T17:52:00.000+03:00@people in the sun,That was funny :-)))@people in the sun,<BR/>That was funny :-)))Uri Kalishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08561692601016236573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-32256574171023720492008-07-11T13:55:00.000+03:002008-07-11T13:55:00.000+03:00For thousands of years, Europe had this fixation t...For thousands of years, Europe had this fixation that in order to fly one must imitate the way birds fly. Nowadays we understand that the basic mechanics of our body is not capable of flying. Therefore we use totally different technologies (plains, ballons, etc) very successfully.<BR/><BR/>Same goes here, silicon-based machines will never behave as carbon-based machines. <BR/><BR/>Of-course Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-51720772906791826552008-07-11T11:55:00.000+03:002008-07-11T11:55:00.000+03:00We don't even know how our own brain works. It's s...We don't even know how our own brain works. It's so complex that it'll take millennia till we understand all the processes. Or till we think that we understand.<BR/><BR/>E.g. do you know how is it possible for a chunk of pink organic crap to compute extremely complex differential equations? Catching a ball is not as simple as it seems. <BR/><BR/>Also, the brain contains the parts that form our Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06876800259373563425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-64159536389405032212008-07-11T08:36:00.000+03:002008-07-11T08:36:00.000+03:00You're saying it's time to choose sides...See, I d...You're saying it's time to choose sides...<BR/><BR/>See, I don't want them to destroy us, but I don't really mind being ruled by a race of evil robots. But if I'm ruled by one of those cute, hugging robots from Japan, I'll be very offended.People in the Sunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06961234839608654790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-1582287094750665092008-07-11T01:13:00.000+03:002008-07-11T01:13:00.000+03:00@Yair,“AI (Artificial Intelligence) and AL (Artifi...@Yair,<BR/><BR/>“AI (Artificial Intelligence) and AL (Artificial Life) research and achievements are very poor compared to what was expected of them in any given point in the past 60 or so years.”<BR/><BR/>- Yes, it will take more time than first imagined by the early sci-fi TV series, and a fully operational HAL-9000 is still a few decades away, but we’ll get there eventually – maybe even in ourUri Kalishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08561692601016236573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6841654461773705283.post-66286347460993340072008-07-10T23:23:00.000+03:002008-07-10T23:23:00.000+03:00AI (Artificial Intelligence) and AL (Artificial Li...AI (Artificial Intelligence) and AL (Artificial Life) research and achievements are very poor compared to what was expected of them in any given point in the past 60 or so years. <BR/><BR/>The basic drawbacks of silicon-based machines (in AI/AL context) are(1) their inability to learn, (2) their centralized architecture (one CPU one machine), and (3) poor robustness to errors and failures. <BR/><Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com